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Maximum page size

rmromito
Registered: Jan 22 2007
Posts: 2

What is the maximum page size that can be defined in Acrobat 8.0 Standard?

My Product Information:
Acrobat Standard 8, Windows
pdftrainer
Expert
Registered: Dec 14 2005
Posts: 180
If I read the quote below correctly, the maximum page size is 15 million inches.

This is from the PDF Reference 1.6:

177. In PDF versions earlier than PDF 1.6, the size of the default user space
unit is fixed at 172 inch. In Acrobat viewers earlier than version 4.0, the
minimum allowed page size is 72 by 72 units in default user space (1 by 1
inch); the maximum is 3240 by 3240 units (45 by 45 inches). In Acrobat
versions 5.0 and later, the minimum allowed page size is 3 by 3 units (approximately
0.04 by 0.04 inch); the maximum is 14,400 by 14,400 units
(200 by 200 inches).
Beginning with PDF 1.6, the size of the default user space unit may be set
with the UserUnit entry of the page dictionary. Acrobat 7.0 supports a
maximum UserUnit value of 75,000, which gives a maximum page dimension
of 15,000,000 inches (14,400 * 75,000 * 172). The minimum
UserUnit value is 1.0 (the default).

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davnon
Registered: Nov 16 2008
Posts: 7
I am using Acrobat 7.0 Pro and trying to define large page size: 675 cm wide and 60 cm high (will get printed on a plotter). As soon as I enter the width number (6750 mm) it pops up an error telling me 200 in x 200 in is the maximum size.
Anyone knows how can I fix that? What is really the page size limitation?
According to the quote below, I shouldn't have a problem with Acrobat 7.0, or maybe I am missing something.


pdftrainer wrote:
If I read the quote below correctly, the maximum page size is 15 million inches.This is from the PDF Reference 1.6:

177. In PDF versions earlier than PDF 1.6, the size of the default user space
unit is fixed at 172 inch. In Acrobat viewers earlier than version 4.0, the
minimum allowed page size is 72 by 72 units in default user space (1 by 1
inch); the maximum is 3240 by 3240 units (45 by 45 inches). In Acrobat
versions 5.0 and later, the minimum allowed page size is 3 by 3 units (approximately
0.04 by 0.04 inch); the maximum is 14,400 by 14,400 units
(200 by 200 inches).
Beginning with PDF 1.6, the size of the default user space unit may be set
with the UserUnit entry of the page dictionary. Acrobat 7.0 supports a
maximum UserUnit value of 75,000, which gives a maximum page dimension
of 15,000,000 inches (14,400 * 75,000 * 172). The minimum
UserUnit value is 1.0 (the default).
abhigyan
Expert
Registered: Nov 29 2007
Posts: 223
Try out Acrobat 8/9. The page size limit was increased in those versions.
rbogie
Registered: Apr 28 2008
Posts: 432
according to specs 'PDF 32000-1:2008' at pg 650:
The minimum page size should be 3 by 3 units in default user space; the maximum should be 14,400 by 14,400 units. In versions of PDF earlier than 1.6, the size of the default user space unit was fixed at 1⁄72 inch, yielding a minimum of approximately 0.04 by 0.04 inch and a maximum of 200 by 200 inches. Beginning with PDF 1.6, the size of the unit may be set on a page-by-page basis; the default remains at 1/72 inch.

source: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf/pdf_reference.php
davnon
Registered: Nov 16 2008
Posts: 7
Thanks for your replies. It is not quite clear which version of PDF is supported by the different Acrobat versions. I figured that Acrobat 7.0 supports PDF versions PRIOR to 1.6 and therefore I'll have to upgrade to 8.0 and above to get the large page size.
rbogie
Registered: Apr 28 2008
Posts: 432
you need not upgrade; acrobat 7 is okay; your limit is 200 inches.
davnon
Registered: Nov 16 2008
Posts: 7
As I've mentioned in my initial reply - I need a page size of 675 x 60 cm, which is 266 x 24 inches, therefore 200 inches is not enough!
rbogie
Registered: Apr 28 2008
Posts: 432
get support from mfgr of plotter
davnon
Registered: Nov 16 2008
Posts: 7
I don't have a problem with the plotter.
I need a PDF sheet with the size: 675cm x 60cm (266in x 24in).
Sounds like I need to get Acrobat 8 or above to do it.
rbogie
Registered: Apr 28 2008
Posts: 432
the mfgr of your plotter may be able to tell you how to print full size. for example, printer mfgrs provide software ('drivers'); settings include 'page scaling' allowing you to print under sized files to whatever large format output is supported by the printer. in my post of 11-17 i quoted adobe's specs. consult with adobe's tech support and verify the specs before buying AA8 or 9. you've hit a wall with this forum.
lkassuba
ExpertTeam
Registered: Jun 28 2007
Posts: 3636
Although the PDF spec mentions that it's feasible to create a PDF as large as 15,000,000 inches in either direction, 200 x 200 inches is Distiller’s limit for PostScript. It’s based on the Windows printer driver limitation.

So, upgrading won't solve the problem -- perhaps your plotter mfgr might have a suggestions as mentioned by rbogie.

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davnon
Registered: Nov 16 2008
Posts: 7
Oh well... what can I say... I wish there was a solution. I may have to use another application. I wonder why more people haven't had a problem with this limitation. I can think of many banners which are much longer than 200in. Anyway, thank you all for your help.
DaveDrees
Registered: Jul 21 2009
Posts: 7
I just ran into this problem today. I needed to make a banner for a customer that was 240"x60". However, I had no problem creating the file in CorelDraw, but I couldn't export it as a PDF or an EPS. I found 3 formats that could handle something that big was a TIF, PSB, and RAW. These are all raster formats, so you better have a beefy computer if you want to get a high resolution image. Does anyone know if Adobe plans to change this limitation?
Registered: Sep 24 2005
Posts: 252
Hi Dave,

Just double checking the Corel PDF Export settings - did you ramp up the PDF version to the highest Corel supports during export? It might be worth looking at this based upon the differences in max. sizes the PDF specification allows for?

Hope this might help?

Regards

Jon

I've been using Acrobat since v1.0 and still get amazed by its power. An Acrobat ACE since 1999

DaveDrees
Registered: Jul 21 2009
Posts: 7
I was finally able to create the file as a vector EPS postscript level 3. As for a PDF, i have tried every PDF version in CorelX14 and Illustrator CS3. It just would not break that 200 inch limit. Its not a huge problem since I can make an EPS, and I have some raster alternatives to get the image out. However, vector PDF files work well with the color matching software on our RIP. EPS files always come out a little more on the magenta side, and I have trouble changing colors of just one contour. We will just have to make those changes in prepress and re-rip.

Thanks again for your help on the matter!
Dave
ireande
Registered: Aug 11 2010
Posts: 1
Dave, that is exactly the problem I have with CorelDraw. I have the latest version (and a very fast and capable computer) and Ikassuba is right, it's something in between CorelDraw and Distiller (and probably any other software connected to Distiller). This is a huge issue for me because now I'm getting clients that want large banners and signs. I have no idea how graphic designers make giant signs!