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Printing Problems with Acrobat X Standard

AcroXuser
Registered: Aug 10 2011
Posts: 4
Answered

After deleting AND inserting pages of a pdf, when we print to a ps printer, we get a lot of unrecognizable characters. This only happens on 32 bit machines with any version of Acrobat X, from 10.0 to 10.1 If we print as image, from a Windows 7 64 bit machine, or from Acrobat 9 everything prints fine.
 
Any help or suggestions?
 
Thanks!
 

My Product Information:
Acrobat Standard 10.1, Windows
KellyMcC
Acrobat 9ExpertTeam
Registered: Jul 11 2011
Posts: 389
Can you check File > Properties and click on Fonts. Let me know if the fonts are (Embedded Subset), (Embedded) or if nothing lists in parenthesis?

Kelly McCathran
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Certified Technical Trainer+

AcroXuser
Registered: Aug 10 2011
Posts: 4
Kelly, thanks for responding.

I am seeing a combination of (Embedded Subset) and nothing lists in parenthesis.
Dov Isaacs
Expert
Registered: Nov 21 2005
Posts: 50
AcroXuser wrote:
After deleting AND inserting pages of a pdf, when we print to a ps printer, we get a lot of unrecognizable characters. This only happens on 32 bit machines with any version of Acrobat X, from 10.0 to 10.1 If we print as image, from a Windows 7 64 bit machine, or from Acrobat 9 everything prints fine.Any help or suggestions?

Thanks!
We would be interested in seeing the example of this at Adobe if you can send me the original PDF file, the PDF file with the pages that are inserted, and a description of the exact sequence of page deletions and insertions that yield the problem. Send to me at "isaacs" at "adobe.com" and we will see what's going on.

Dov Isaacs is a Principal Scientist at Adobe Systems Incorporated specializing in PDF publishing workflow, PDF print standards, prepress, and printing. He is also chair of the ISO TC130 WG2/TF2 group responsible for PDF/X standards.

KellyMcC
Acrobat 9ExpertTeam
Registered: Jul 11 2011
Posts: 389
Please send the file to Dov if you can. I think the issue may be that the fonts that aren't Embedded are getting confused on print out. Are you using the Standard PDF Job Options when creating these files? If so, can you try using High Quality Print to see if this resolves your issue?

Kelly McCathran
Adobe Community Expert
Certified Technical Trainer+

AcroXuser
Registered: Aug 10 2011
Posts: 4
Dov and Kelly, thank you both so much for taking the time to try to help us solve this problem. Kelly, our defaults are set to High Quality Print, so I don't think that is the issue.

Dov, I just sent you an email with the files that you requested.

Kelly, a little more background on the issue. I was wrong in saying that it prints out fine on 64 bit machines. It turns out that the person that was testing with me actually had Acrobat 9 installed on their 64 bit machine. So we do know that the document prints out fine on Acrobat 9 on both 64 and 32 bit machines, however it will not print out correctly using Acrobat X. And there is only trouble after we have deleted AND inserted pages to the pdf from within X.

Thanks again!
Dov Isaacs
Expert
Registered: Nov 21 2005
Posts: 50
I've looked at the file and for better or worse, it doesn't fail on printout under Windows 7 64-bit or Windows 7 32-bit with Acrobat 10.1.0 to any of my PostScript printers.

I am not discounting the fact that there is an issue, but I am trying to find the smoking font(s) so to speak. The document in question has unembedded Arial, Helvetica, and Helvetica Bold. I have all these fonts actually installed on my system. We don't know if the OP has any of the Helvetica installed. (He obviously has Arial installed!) If Helvetica is not installed, it is possible that Acrobat (or Reader) would attempt to replace Helvetica with Arial and thus lead to the potential of a coding mismatch.

I have asked the OP for further configuration information with regards to installed fonts.

Dov Isaacs is a Principal Scientist at Adobe Systems Incorporated specializing in PDF publishing workflow, PDF print standards, prepress, and printing. He is also chair of the ISO TC130 WG2/TF2 group responsible for PDF/X standards.

AcroXuser
Registered: Aug 10 2011
Posts: 4
Dov, based on our emails could you post what we came up with?

Thanks,
Randy
Dov Isaacs
Expert
Registered: Nov 21 2005
Posts: 50
Accepted Answer
AcroXuser wrote:
Dov, based on our emails could you post what we came up with?
Apparently, there is an obscure bug that is triggered by AcroXuser's PDF file. His file contains references to Arial as well as Helvetica, neither of which are actually embedded in the PDF file. On AcroXuser's system, although Arial was available as an installed system font, Helvetica wasn't. When Helvetica is not available, Acrobat (and Reader) attempt to substitute Arial for Helvetica. Thus, for display and printing, the host version of Arial was used for both the unembedded Arial and the unembedded Helvetica. This should work (famous last words) and in fact works on the display, but there appears to be an encoding issue for printed output.

Note that the problem was localized by installing the Adobe version of Type 1 Helvetica fonts on AcroXuser's system, after which the problem no longer occurred.

Nonetheless this is a serious bug that I am pursuing with the Acrobat development group.

Bottom line though is that you are always safest to embed all fonts referenced by a PDF file. It may make the PDF file marginally larger, but it will avoid this type of bug/anomaly.


Dov Isaacs is a Principal Scientist at Adobe Systems Incorporated specializing in PDF publishing workflow, PDF print standards, prepress, and printing. He is also chair of the ISO TC130 WG2/TF2 group responsible for PDF/X standards.

Lee Yoder
Registered: Aug 24 2011
Posts: 2
I have upgraded from Vista to Windows 7 and just downloaded Reader X

I opened a PDF document from within email and then attempted to print it. I received the error message that document is already in PDF format and it was canceling conversion. It does not print. What should I do
Lee Yoder
Registered: Aug 24 2011
Posts: 2
Properties

TTE4E6A3B0t00 (embedded Subset)
Type: True Type
Encoding: Custom


Thanks

Lee