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Printing shrinks the content

rj_adobe1
Registered: May 31 2011
Posts: 5
Answered

Steps:
1. Take a word document, letter size - 8.5 x 11
2. Print it as pdf, open the pdf
3. Print word document to a printer
4. Print the PDF document to the printer.
5. Compare the both prints -
6. PRINT FROM PDF IS SMALLER THAN THE PRINT FROM WORD.
 
Why? I want to get same printer output from the both use cases. Why pdf shrinks the page in the preview and prints smaller? How to enforce print original size like the microsoft word? The size from pdf appears to be about 5% smaller in the page.
 
Thanks
RJ

My Product Information:
Acrobat Pro 10.0.1, Windows
lkassuba
ExpertTeam
Registered: Jun 28 2007
Posts: 3636
What version of Word are you using? Typically Word using whatever printer you have selected as the default to layout the document; therefore you'll get different results based on whatever print driver you have selected. Have you tried selected the Adobe PDF printer as your default?

Lori Kassuba is an AUC Expert and Community Manager for AcrobatUsers.com.

rj_adobe1
Registered: May 31 2011
Posts: 5
Lori,
Thanks for the reply. I guess I was not clear in the previous post: I printed the document using adobe pdf and then tried sending the document to printer. I compared the outputs from the printer, one sent thru word 2007 and the other thru Adobe pdf document.

I got some more information on the print mismatch:
It appears adobe for some reason adjusting the margins of a document. If the margin is small (may be smaller than one inch) on the document, then it is scaling down the content. It is important to remember, Word don't have any issues in printing the document with the original margins on the document.
I tested with a sample document by maintaining one inch margin on all four sides of the document then the print from Word and print from abode are exact match.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN CONTROL THE MARGINS ENFORCED BY ADOBE?
Thanks
RJ
lkassuba
ExpertTeam
Registered: Jun 28 2007
Posts: 3636
Are the margins in your PDF correct? If so, try setting the Page Scaling dropdown in the Acrobat X print dialog to "None".

Lori Kassuba is an AUC Expert and Community Manager for AcrobatUsers.com.

rj_adobe1
Registered: May 31 2011
Posts: 5
Again thanks for the reply. I measured the margins on PDF and they match exactly as specified in Word. I am trying to print Booklet format in adobe so I have no control whatsoever over the scaling or margins in abode.

There should be a way to control margins adobe sending to the printer. When I click the 'Page Setup' I do not see any custom settings. And the margins are grayed out to one inch, pretty confusing.

Thanks
RJ
Dov Isaacs
Expert
Registered: Nov 21 2005
Posts: 50
You might want to check your print dialog in Acrobat under "Page Scaling" and make sure that it is set to "None" as opposed to "Fit to Printable Area" or "Shrink to Printable Area." Either of the latter two options would cause the symptoms you describe since it forces all 8.5"x11" of the PDF page to fit into your printer's actual printable area of the page.

- Dov

Dov Isaacs is a Principal Scientist at Adobe Systems Incorporated specializing in PDF publishing workflow, PDF print standards, prepress, and printing. He is also chair of the ISO TC130 WG2/TF2 group responsible for PDF/X standards.

rj_adobe1
Registered: May 31 2011
Posts: 5
Dov,
I am doing the booklet printing, so the scale is not available. Is there any way I can upload an image here to illustrate the problem?
Thanks
RJ
Dov Isaacs
Expert
Registered: Nov 21 2005
Posts: 50
Accepted Answer
rj_adobe1 wrote:
Dov,
I am doing the booklet printing, so the scale is not available. Is there any way I can upload an image here to illustrate the problem?
Thanks
RJ
RJ,

Thanks for the information about doing "booklet printing." That changes the situation significantly. I assume that you might be printing 8.5"x11" pages to 11"x17" paper for your booklet in which case you would reasonably expect that the 8.5"x11" logical pages in your PDF file would be printed full size on the 11"x17" paper. Apparently, though, the actual Acrobat implementation of "booklet printing" does the equivalent of "fit to printable area" accounting for the unprintable margins on your page.

There is no easy workaround other than third party imposition plugins. A somewhat sophisticated workaround, assuming that you are printing to a PostScript printer, is to edit the PPD file for the printer to change the imageable area to 0 0 792 1224 for the 11x17 paper (either labelled as "ledger" or "tabloid").

I'll submit a bug on this to the Acrobat development group.

Dov Isaacs is a Principal Scientist at Adobe Systems Incorporated specializing in PDF publishing workflow, PDF print standards, prepress, and printing. He is also chair of the ISO TC130 WG2/TF2 group responsible for PDF/X standards.

rj_adobe1
Registered: May 31 2011
Posts: 5
Thanks for taking initiation to file it.
I finally able to get the desired output, in a roundabout way:
1. Do 'Save as PDF' on word 2007 document to get the PDF
2. Open the PDF in AdobePro and print to 'Adobe PDF' queue with booklet layout. By doing so, Adobe using no scaling.
3. Previous step creates one more PDF with booklet layout
4. Print the new PDF with Page Scaling set to None.

This way Abode keeping everything as we see on the screen.
Thanks
RJ